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DC Essentials Batman and Deathstroke Photo Review

Posted on August 17, 2018 at 12:12 pm by Tony_Bacala under DC Toy News, Random Photo Shoot

DC Essentials are in the building, and we are taking a look at the first two releases in the all new DC Collectibles action figure line. Essentials are a return to familiar form for DC Collectibles, the 6.75 Inch scale. Prior to DC Icons and the Animated series figures, most releases for DCC were in the 6.75 Inch scale. They moved down for Icons, but the line didn’t click with fans and they rebooted into what we have here today, DC Essentials. The line is meant to be an ongoing, all encompassing line, similar to Marvel Legends. Different eras, costumes and looks getting attention while keeping a uniform size and style.

The first wave consists of Batman, Deathstroke, Flash and Reverse Flash. We’ll take a look at the Speedsters tomorrow. Read on to check out our thoughts on Batman and Deathstroke, plus first impressions on the line overall courtesy of Entertainment Earth.

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DC Essentials Batman and Deathstroke

Pros:

Great clean paint head to toe
Mold is sharp
Works well with prior DCC figures
Almost every point of articulation is addressed

Cons:

Arms are abnormally out of proportion (too long)
Figures have balance issues
Legs are loose / have give at:  hip, knee and ankle joints
Ankle rocker tech requires two hands and forethought to achieve position
Only one set of hands, which are different from each other

Overall Thoughts:

Ok, where to begin.  I’m torn.  There are good and bad things going on here.  On quick glance, these are really solid, big modern representations of core DC characters.  They pop in perfectly with the DCC figures of years past, specifically New 52 forward (N52, Arkham, Designer Series, etc).  After you get them in hand, and want to pose them up we have some issues though.

First things first, what the heck is going on with these arms?  I saw them in the promo shots and was hoping it was just the prototype / angle of pics, but nope.  These guys have some long ass arms.  Maybe someone based in anatomy can argue they are anatomically correct, but bottom line – on an action figure they look off.  And they ALL have it going on, through at least wave 3 and the Watchmen waves.  The first one to not pop out at me as off is the Joker they just showed off at SDCC, which is a new mold.

If this line is going to survive, this needs to be addressed.  I’ll take some monkey figs for a bit as they work things out, but it needs to be acknowledged and fixed moving forward.

Next biggie – the legs.

Start at the top – Hips. They are angled outward, so you need to really focus to get a straight up stance. Not as bad as some prior DCC figs, but it’s still happening. And that hip joint is loose, so if you do get him posed up, any jolt can trigger them to slide out and then you got dominoes.

Knees – also loose.  Not super floppy spaghetti knees, but loose enough that if you get a pose right, set him down, they shift and throw the weight balance off.  Again, dominoes.

Ankles – loose/give one way and too hard to move the other.  So, these guys do have ankle rock tech, allowing for a flat foot on the ground when dynamically posed.  Technically.  They have a ratcheted ball joint forward and backward.  You can then spin that ball , and twist the foot to stay flat.  However, you can’t really do that while the foot is on the ground.  You need to pick him up, get the foot where you think it needs to be, set it down, and hope the other foot is good.  Coupled with the loose knees and slide-y hips, this is a nightmare.  The cut at the boot does help, but it’s still a two handed operation.

Any multi angle ankle on these figs (DCC and others) need to be adjusted while the foot stays planted on the ground, with 1 or no hands.  Putting pressure on the body downward as you pose other parts should allow the ankle to move around, and then stay put.  If you have to pick it up and scientifically guess on what angle foot 1 and foot 2 should be and then adjust that with 2 hands to handle the rest of the pose – fail.

Also with the ankles, the ratchets are too spaced out.  Let’s say you do get it all perfectly placed, angled, twisted, on both feet.  You plop him down. One foot is slightly raised off the floor.  Just click it forward a bit, right?  Well, that might as well be a 45 degree angle with what’s going on here.  A click forward/backward will throw balance off big time.  Those should be doubled or tripled and made with more resistance.

But, really, what would be best – get some form of pressure based 360 system for the ankles, tighten up the knees and hips.  With the foot flat and planted, I should be able to spin this guy around like I’m churning butter.

We’ve been itching for DCC to have full articulation points since New 52 dropped (at least), and on paper, these figures have it.  But right now the execution is off, making almost all posing you could do with it a super big pain in the ass, with lots of tips and flops and dominoes.

Next up – mold.  All 4 figures here are using the same exact mold head to toe, with different heads and some overlays like belts and capes.  Some look slightly taller or shorter, but that could be due to leg positioning or head height etc. I’m ok with that in general, but it seems like 3 more waves are doing the same thing.   DC Icons suffered from this as well.  I think all lines utilize this in some form, Frankenstein-ing parts from different figures together.  DCC seems to just flat out re-use the same mold from day one for a year+ before we get new parts in the mix.  It gets a bit boring after a while.  Height, build could use some variation.

Accessories – I’m ok with it being minimal.  Most just sit in a ziplock back after day 1.  However, I would prefer 2 sets of hands.  Or at very least, always give me two fists. Having a power stance on the shelf with an open hand sucks.

Now, for some good things.  The paint application on all are great.  Even Flash and Zoom have painted bodies when they easily could have molded them in colored plastic.  And it’s a thin matte paint, so all the details are there from the sculpt and joints move well.  Paint is super important to me these days, and having minimal to no raw plastic showing is a big plus to me.  In fact, the paint is so good I can’t 100 percent tell it’s paint.  It may be plastic dulled down and textured with mold blasting, I’ve looked thoroughly and can’t 100% tell.  Either way, it’s damn good.

I think the sculpts overall are great aside from proportions.  Sharp, muscular.  Realism somewhere between comics and movies.  A little thinner, streamlined from prior offerings but I’m ok with that.  Variance in height, build would be nice though.

Articulation – on paper fantastic. Executed poorly with gives and tolerances here, but the cuts and move points are all there.  Rotating neck, full swing on shoulders, double jointed elbows, wrists with a front-back joint and swivel, ab-crunch, waist twist, NON T-crotch with rotation range at the hips, upper thigh cut, double jointed knees, boot cuts, ankle rockers.  Sounds like a dream.  If they refine the tolerances and fix those ankles, it’s golden.

People are speaking on price, but we’ve gotten all this tech, larger scale, and paint head to toe for 23-25 bucks.  Assuming the figures were mechanically sound, the price would be fine with me.  Like I said earlier tho, two fists + 1 weapon holder minimum would be ideal.

Bottom line:

Good, but needs work.  I WANT these to be good.  I WANT an ongoing, all era, never ending DC line that is a notch above mass production Target toys.  If they fix execution issues and shorten those arms, I’m in long term.

Check out Deathstroke and Batman below and judge for yourselves!

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Discussion / Comments (Jump to this Thread on the Forum)

  1. Tony_Bacala's Avatar Tony_Bacala says

    08-17-2018, 09:19 AM

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    I know you guys have had these a bit longer than me, but I have stayed "spoiler free" until now. I just went in fresh. Without input other than an occasional social post I ran into, these were my thoughts on first handling.

  2. Black Arbor's Avatar Black Arbor says

    08-17-2018, 09:27 AM

    I give it 3 waves before they abandon the line, tops.

  3. Harbinger's Avatar Harbinger says

    08-17-2018, 09:29 AM

    Not a fan of the unibody ninja snake eyes look.

  4. Tony_Bacala's Avatar Tony_Bacala says

    08-17-2018, 09:34 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Black Arbor View Post
    I give it 3 waves before they abandon the line, tops.
    I can see that happening. Tolerance issues mixed with the arm issue here. The long arms are currently present into the foreseeable future without a hard fix. Tolerance can be addressed mid wave now if they wanted. (I think, I'm no expert).

    If these things are what people keep talking about every time they pop up for the first 2 waves, sales will suffer. Someone will need to make a money decision and then poof.

    If that does happen, they can hard reset without full abandon. Trot out new figs with specifically addressed issues in the promo and folks will come back. Killing supposed ongoing lines hurts the next line too. :/

    I just want dope ass DC figures regularly which don't cost a car payment.

  5. stryker12 has no avatar! stryker12 says

    08-17-2018, 09:39 AM

    My batman came with a broken hand, couldn't pop it back in. Might superglue or just get another, but really disappointed with the quality. They're better than the essentials line from a few years back, but not good enough to be charging $26 per figure.

  6. Tony_Bacala's Avatar Tony_Bacala says

    08-17-2018, 09:40 AM

    Forgot to add these in the review. Added now.

  7. Dr Kain has no avatar! Dr Kain says

    08-17-2018, 10:01 AM

    Yeeeeeeeeah, I'm no longer going to invest myself in DC figures until someone decides to focus on a comic accurate Flash oriented line with modern standards.

  8. Tim's Avatar Tim says

    08-17-2018, 10:39 AM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post
    Yeeeeeeeeah, I'm no longer going to invest myself in DC figures until someone decides to focus on a comic accurate Flash oriented line with modern standards.
    Sign me up for that line.

  9. MPT has no avatar! MPT says

    08-17-2018, 10:47 AM

    Also, the stiff cape. NECA has no qualms about giving their 7" Batmans multi-purpose cloth capes, so why not DC Essentials? It's like they're tone-deaf to our complaints

  10. Dolemite's Avatar Dolemite says

    08-17-2018, 11:34 AM

    These guys will never catch up with the Marvel Legends line. Hasbro is killing it lately.

  11. Dr Kain has no avatar! Dr Kain says

    08-17-2018, 12:55 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MPT View Post
    Also, the stiff cape. NECA has no qualms about giving their 7" Batmans multi-purpose cloth capes, so why not DC Essentials? It's like they're tone-deaf to our complaints
    NECA's capes suck though. They're way too thin and always feel like they are going to tear. There's got to be a way to pull off more rubber capes but not have them fall off all of the time.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    These guys will never catch up with the Marvel Legends line. Hasbro is killing it lately.
    Mostly. Hasbro's paint apps are hit or miss, but their capes majorly suck ass. I can not get the capes to Gladiator, Prowler, or Magneto to stay in a position at all and their pegs constantly pop out of the holes with a single shake.

  12. Tony_Bacala's Avatar Tony_Bacala says

    08-17-2018, 01:41 PM

    I've never met a cape I liked on any figure, plastic or fabric. I don't have the answer. I am ok with this one, it stays out of the way and can be bent to fit most poses. What I don't like is when the do things like Capullo Designer Bat's cape. Flared out.

    Fabric capes, pretty much no, ever. All IMHO of course.

  13. Tony_Bacala's Avatar Tony_Bacala says

    08-17-2018, 01:43 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dolemite View Post
    These guys will never catch up with the Marvel Legends line. Hasbro is killing it lately.
    I don't need them to catch up, I just want some long term consistency. I want to look forward to building out a shelf, then a case, then maybe a wall when I'm 85 or so.

  14. Dr Kain has no avatar! Dr Kain says

    08-17-2018, 02:11 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tony_Bacala View Post
    I've never met a cape I liked on any figure, plastic or fabric. I don't have the answer. I am ok with this one, it stays out of the way and can be bent to fit most poses. What I don't like is when the do things like Capullo Designer Bat's cape. Flared out.

    Fabric capes, pretty much no, ever. All IMHO of course.
    FOr cloth capes, I'd say the best is the ANH Darth Vader Hasbro released last year.

    Not a fan of hard plastic capes at all.

    For rubbery/soft plastic capes, I think Mattel did it best when they had the capes permanently glued into the back.

  15. MPT has no avatar! MPT says

    08-17-2018, 02:17 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post
    NECA's capes suck though. They're way too thin and always feel like they are going to tear. There's got to be a way to pull off more rubber capes but not have them fall off all of the time.



    Mostly. Hasbro's paint apps are hit or miss, but their capes majorly suck ass. I can not get the capes to Gladiator, Prowler, or Magneto to stay in a position at all and their pegs constantly pop out of the holes with a single shake.
    NECA did a great job with Bale Batman in the 7" format. The cloth cape stayed on perfectly, and you could put the figure in a gliding pose...unlike DC Essentials.

  16. Dr Kain has no avatar! Dr Kain says

    08-17-2018, 04:26 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MPT View Post
    NECA did a great job with Bale Batman in the 7" format. The cloth cape stayed on perfectly, and you could put the figure in a gliding pose...unlike DC Essentials.
    That's good to hear because their Burton Batman might as well have a cape bought from a dollar store.

  17. Jeddostotle7's Avatar Jeddostotle7 says

    08-17-2018, 05:37 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post
    FOr cloth capes, I'd say the best is the ANH Darth Vader Hasbro released last year.

    Not a fan of hard plastic capes at all.

    For rubbery/soft plastic capes, I think Mattel did it best when they had the capes permanently glued into the back.
    I think the best fabric cape I've ever experienced was the cape on Mezco's DKR Batman. What an incredible cape; always draping right, really nice feel. Mezco's other capes are nice too, except for Black Adam's where they wired it half-way down the length, but not the whole way, which was just weird.

    I do have to agree that the NECA Bale Batman cape is also pretty great.

  18. Tomax has no avatar! Tomax says

    08-17-2018, 05:51 PM

    oh hell yeah, looks better than legends, getting that DeathStroke for sure

  19. Tim's Avatar Tim says

    08-17-2018, 06:03 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tomax View Post
    oh hell yeah, looks better than legends, getting that DeathStroke for sure
    With it being a additional $8 I’d hope it would look better then a mass produced $20 figure. Half of your posts are just negative responses to either marvel or marvel legends. Not looking for a fight. Just pointing out the obvious lol

  20. SpasticPlastic's Avatar SpasticPlastic says

    08-17-2018, 07:22 PM

    Additional $8? I thought the SRP on these was $22. I've been getting them for $21.99, but I have seen them for $24.99 on some sites.

  21. Tomax has no avatar! Tomax says

    08-17-2018, 07:33 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    With it being a additional $8 I’d hope it would look better then a mass produced $20 figure. Half of your posts are just negative responses to either marvel or marvel legends. Not looking for a fight. Just pointing out the obvious lol
    wait what? look whos talking someone who is always bringing down DC.
    News flash: Im a DC fan, i dont have to like what you like. i always March to the beat of my own drum. im not follower.

  22. jwyss234's Avatar jwyss234 says

    08-17-2018, 07:40 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpasticPlastic View Post
    Additional $8? I thought the SRP on these was $22. I've been getting them for $21.99, but I have seen them for $24.99 on some sites.
    Previewsworld has the SRP listed as $26.00 but BBTS has them listed for $22.99. I know that an LCS near me wanted $30.

  23. Tim's Avatar Tim says

    08-17-2018, 07:46 PM

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpasticPlastic View Post
    Additional $8? I thought the SRP on these was $22. I've been getting them for $21.99, but I have seen them for $24.99 on some sites.
    Yeah these at my comic shops are $28. And Dc Collectibles/previews has them listed for over $22 as well. I don’t know if that’s everyone’s is $28 or my stores are just screwing me over haha. But if you’re getting them for $22 that’s awesome and a steal! I see amazon has them for $22 so I’m definitely ordering that flash.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tomax View Post
    wait what? look whos talking someone who is always bringing down DC.
    News flash: Im a DC fan, i dont have to like what you like. i always March to the beat of my own drum. im not follower.
    Ok cool noted. Not a follower got it.

  24. SpasticPlastic's Avatar SpasticPlastic says

    08-17-2018, 09:43 PM

    Wow. The prices are all over the place. I love DCC, but I'll be the first to admit that if you don't HAVE to have them right now (which I did and do), the prices will be much lower in a short time on the secondary (at least if theses follow the path of all of their last few years worth of releases).

  25. digger318 has no avatar! digger318 says

    08-18-2018, 12:36 AM

    These figures look really bad, even for the retail price.

    The arms do look a little long, but i don't think the issue is only with the arms, the problem is the hip to leg area. The gap between the legs and the hips are far too big, making the hips look smaller than it should. That or it looks like the legs are pulled outwards.

    I cannot stand seeing pegs in the joints. Its a cost thing ok, but at least smooth out the pegs so they stay flay with the rest of the arms, ugh.

    The cutting of the upper legs, why is it that it seems only japanese or asian toy companies have figured out that putting a large cut on the legs looks really bad, especially when you will have big chunks showing as soon as u move the legs out of it's original pose.

    that stupid tummy joint, they are and always will be ugly.
    Look batman has a belt, so does many other characters, put a ball joint in there! they you will have rotation and up and down movement.

    That single piece hard cape... right, stick a joint in there or use fabric.

    and finally that size problem. OMG WHY CAN'T USA toy lines agree on a scale! Again, in japan, bandai and figma and revoltech stick to a similar standard scale. Even when you have model kit figures, they are at most half a head taller, meaning you can still display them together without it looking out of place.

    hasbro is moving forward, catching up with neca, bandai, figmas etc, and these are just frustrating.

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